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Permalink Reply by Jerry Albright on May 27, 2010 at 11:31am

Sandra -

Yesterday I got a note from a client I placed a manager with a few months ago.

"Dear Jerry - We have an OFCCP audit and I need to know all sources you posted, searched (minority, female, veteran, etc.) for the Manager search. Thanks!"

Am I "supposed" to target minorities? Just what type of info does the OFCCP need here? Am I in trouble as an agency if I don't? If I'm recruiting - should I keep a list of all the women I called, all the African Americans and Hispanics that were called? Does my personal database of resumes need to contain the appropriate percentages of various diversity categories? If so - how in the world am I supposed to gather that info.

As a recruiter - am I OBLIGATED to post client jobs? If so - where - and who pays for this? Me? Uncle Sam? The UN? The G10?

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Permalink Reply by Sandra McCartt on May 27, 2010 at 12:14pm

Here is the catch 22 as i see it Jer. Tell your client that unfortunately there is some other bugment agency that tells you that you can't ask if someone is female, african American or hispanic or if they are an orthadox jew. If you do target minorities you could be in trouble since you would have to ask if they were a minority or make an illegal assumption based on an accent so of course you didn't do that.

Let your client know that you put a sign in front of the local fast food joint in 300 small towns to be sure you reached not only all the protected classes but to be sure you offered the opportunity to every redneck in the lower 48. You stood in front of the public library and Walmart, passed out business cards with the job description on the back to be sure that those without computer access had an opportunity to apply.
Your client probably needs to know that you delved into the sexual orientation of at least 15 candidates so you can get busted for that one too. But to be fair you did send resumes of two suspected transgenders and one suspected cross dresser who threatened to beat hell out of you with a pipe wrench if you failed to submit the resume albeit the only thing it had ever managed was "Doc's ole Pink Poodle Dog" located in Fishook , Kansas.

As to posting being obligatory and how to fund it? I suggest that you apply for an SBA loan as an endangered species. (White, male between the ages of 35 and 50) Tell them that you are niched in placing employees with the SEC, EEOC, OFCCP, IRS, SPCA, HSUS, ACLU, LaRaza, NAACP, NAFTA,fair credit reporting hoo hahs that require you to post on every job board from Bangladore to Istanbul. Not to mention running print ads in the Lazbuddie, Texas OBSERVER and the Muleshoe POST GAZETTE. So in short just tell God you died and your wife you are going away and don't try to find you , you will write when you find work.

As to your database. Tell them to avoid any kind of discrimination you only keep an alphabetical file so if the OFCCP would like to run through A-Z of every candidate you have interviewed in the past 22 years to determine the percentages you are happy to provide all that paper neatly filed in 100 carboard boxes in nice little file folders.

However as long as the military has their policy maybe it would be good to tell them that you follow the guidelines of the United States Military. You don't ask and they don't tell...race, color, sex, age, orientation, national origin so unless they are ordering you by some gubment mandate to discriminate how would they suggest you determine the requested information.

Short answer to your question. You are probably in trouble and will be carted off to a gulag somewhere or have to pay some horrendous fine after spending the next ten years in court. However it is my understanding that all the folks who investigate all this stuff are so far behind that they are hiring a lot of people to try and catch up and it could be a couple of years before you have to address it. But the bright spot is that by then you may be ready to retire anyway so let's face it. Three hots and a cot while you get a law degree in the prison library at taxpayer expense is worth a lot more than social security benefits. So maybe you should just go fishing.

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Permalink Reply by Jerry Albright on May 28, 2010 at 11:00am

Sandra - your sense of humor is awesome! We're alot alike.

I sent my client a write-up of the places we searched, my guess as to the number of candidates we interviewed as well as the final number of those introduced. He said that was all he needed.

(For now..........)

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Permalink Reply by Jerry Albright on June 1, 2010 at 10:07am

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Permalink Reply by Julia Stone on June 2, 2010 at 11:32am

says the guy who is moving into social media. hmm, you made me feel special and left out all at the same time. Maybe you have a potential for politics, Miles. Mayor Miles? It almost sounds as good as Mayor McCheese & all the cool people go by their first name only now anyway.

For Jerry, I have done my part, the thread grows.

Miles Jennings said:

Hey thanks Julia! I believe that I usually call you "the only real recruiter in the room" and now, there is one less. ;) All these folks going into social media, what's the world coming to? When the economy kicks back into gear the ones left standing are going to make a mint..


Julia Stone said:

Having managed one of the larger (well maybe not so large) competitors to MODIS prior to starting my own company, I have had many conversations with Miles about life "in the trenches". He is spot on in my opinion with his experience, knowledge and ability to keep an immediate pulse on the recruiting firms like mine.

I must congratulate Jason on his very savvy hire with Miles. My only regret is that I could not convince Miles to join the ever growing team here at BizWerks before RBC. Miles knows recruiting and is a great guy.

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Permalink Reply by Jerry Albright on June 2, 2010 at 2:03pm

My entire work life is dedicated to making sure I am in position to track walleye down - any time - anywhere. It is a tasty white fish known for it's mild flavor.

Walleye (Sander vitreus, formerly Stizostedion vitreum) is a freshwater perciform fish native to most of Canada and to the northern United States. It is a North American close relative of the European pikeperch. The walleye is sometimes also called the yellow walleye to distinguish it from the blue walleye, which is an extinct subspecies formerly found in the southern Great Lakes.

In some parts of its range, the walleye is mistakenly known as the colored pike, yellow pike or pickerel (esp. in English-speaking Canada), although the fish is related neither to the pikes nor to the other pickerels, both of which are members of the family Esocidae.

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Permalink Reply by Julia Stone on June 2, 2010 at 2:43pm

I don't think I would eat any fish coming from a place with a sign that says "Shatts" on it.

Jerry Albright said:

My entire work life is dedicated to making sure I am in position to track walleye down - any time - anywhere. It is a tasty white fish known for it's mild flavor.

Walleye (Sander vitreus, formerly Stizostedion vitreum) is a freshwater perciform fish native to most of Canada and to the northern United States. It is a North American close relative of the European pikeperch. The walleye is sometimes also called the yellow walleye to distinguish it from the blue walleye, which is an extinct subspecies formerly found in the southern Great Lakes.

In some parts of its range, the walleye is mistakenly known as the colored pike, yellow pike or pickerel (esp. in English-speaking Canada), although the fish is related neither to the pikes nor to the other pickerels, both of which are members of the family Esocidae.

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Permalink Reply by Jerry Albright on June 2, 2010 at 2:46pm

Julia - you have an eye for detail. I see why you make such a great Facilities Ambassador for various recruiting events...... This may be one of the best fish pictures I've been in. You can't beat the sign. No way.

Julia Stone said:

I don't think I would eat any fish coming from a place with a sign that says "Shatts" on it.

Jerry Albright said:

My entire work life is dedicated to making sure I am in position to track walleye down - any time - anywhere. It is a tasty white fish known for it's mild flavor.

Walleye (Sander vitreus, formerly Stizostedion vitreum) is a freshwater perciform fish native to most of Canada and to the northern United States. It is a North American close relative of the European pikeperch. The walleye is sometimes also called the yellow walleye to distinguish it from the blue walleye, which is an extinct subspecies formerly found in the southern Great Lakes.

In some parts of its range, the walleye is mistakenly known as the colored pike, yellow pike or pickerel (esp. in English-speaking Canada), although the fish is related neither to the pikes nor to the other pickerels, both of which are members of the family Esocidae.

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Permalink Reply by Jerry Albright on June 2, 2010 at 2:58pm

Miles Jennings said:

You are a fisher of men and, it seems, of fish.


But this isn't about me - it's about you Sir Miles. How's the new role going? How can we, the vibrant RBC Community, help you in your mission? Or is it stuff that might just be out of our league?

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Permalink Reply by Jerry Albright on June 3, 2010 at 10:47am

I just bought 1000 of these - totally new design. I'm incorporating my personal brand which happens to be the play button on top of the resume. Yesterday at lunch a new manager at one of my clients asked "what's the logo there?" and I got to explain the whole concept.

I think she was impressed. Or maybe she was just smiling to be nice. Only time will tell.

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Permalink Reply by Rayanne on June 3, 2010 at 9:11pm

Nice work, Jerry.

Jerry Albright said:

I just bought 1000 of these - totally new design. I'm incorporating my personal brand which happens to be the play button on top of the resume. Yesterday at lunch a new manager at one of my clients asked "what's the logo there?" and I got to explain the whole concept.

I think she was impressed. Or maybe she was just smiling to be nice. Only time will tell.

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Permalink Reply by Jerry Albright on June 11, 2010 at 8:04am

I made a commitment to this thread and I'm sticking to it. Though business and other distractions distracted me for a few days - I'm back. Now where were we?

I've got a question. Miles - how's the new job going? Have you had your first formal review yet? If so - how did it go.

Hope all is well. You've got my number if you need to reach me!

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