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Third Party Thursday: 7 Things Recruiters Do That Irritate Me

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When I first started my site it was to put an end to the frustration and stigma attached to what I do. Below is a blog entry from one of my long time consultants/technical contacts. I've known him long enough to be able to call him my friend also. I can admit that at the beginning of my career when I all I had in my eyes were $$, I may have be guilty of one if not all of these accusations.

We all know 99% of what's said below is true but putting our heads in the sand isn't going to change a thing. You are fooling yourself if you don't listen to what your candidates have to say. Stop being a pimp, handler, broker, body shop and think about what you say before you say it.

So come on and chick-ity-check yo self before you wreck yo self - Ice Cube - 1993


From a entry entitled: 7 Things Recruiters Do That Irritate Me

Before getting into this post, I think I should state that there are recruiters I truly respect and like and recruiters that I do not respect and probably would not like even if I knew them. This post is about the later category, which I feel are the lazy recruiters who add no value to the candidate-employer relationship.

I got a call today from a recruiter who I would have loved to strangle, if it was only possible to do so over the phone. So here is my list of the top things that irritate me, which I am sure also irritate others. The first three come from my caller this morning, who I will affectionately call Mr. Lazy so i do not post his name here.

1. Ringing my phone over and over again until I answer – This was the issue number one when I talked to Mr. Lazy this morning. If you are going to call my line seven times in a row, my house had better be on fire. I realize this may seem like an emergency to you, but it is not my emergency.

2. Being rude to me on the phone – This was issue number 2 with Mr. Lazy today. I know saying “no, you have to listen now” might be polite talk in India or Pakistan or wherever you are from, but it is consider rude in the United States. It is consider ultra-rude in the south, where I current reside. I am sorry I hung up on you today, which was also rude, but when I tell you I don’t have time to talk, send me an email or give me a call back later. Do not assume your time is more important than mine and I have to listen to you this moment. The message it sends to me is you are smiling and dialing for dollars and not trying to add any value to the proposition.

3. Being rude to my wife on the phone – Once again, I realize you might come from a country where you can beat your wife whenever you want, but it does not mean you can beat mine up. Of course, she is perfectly capable of giving you a tongue lashing and then hanging up on you, so feel free Mr. Lazy. And, yes, this HAS happened in the past.
4. Emailing me numerous times for the same position – This was issue number 3 with Mr. Lazy. I know it takes a little bit of time, but when you go from Monster to Dice to Career Builder, check and see if you already sent me an email. Otherwise, you are showing me how lazy you are and I would rather talk to a recruiter I know and trust about the position than you. NOTE: I can generally figure out who the company is by looking at your req; if not, I will call someone I trust and ask them if they can figure it out. I am NOT going to call YOU.

5. Not reading my resume – When you call me or email me based solely on buzzwords, chances are you have something wrong. Yes, I know you have a lovely entry level .NET position you need to fill, but I am not going to work for $25 an hour 1099 or corp-to-corp. Don’t waste my time.

6. Not reading my location preferences – yes, I realize that there are jobs that are too good to pass up, no matter where they are located. In general, these jobs have a greater than $250k/year salary ($500k/year for California ;->), moving allowance, and no cost health benefits. Yes, I am being a bit ridiculous, but I am not moving for $45 per hour 1099 or corp-to-corp. I can make that here without any headaches. Now, if you have that $1 million per annum, plus bonus, plus moving expenses, plus no-cost benefits, I might even be interested in going to Greenland for a few years.

7. Having me do your job for you – I am far along in my career, I should not have to spend an hour answering email questions for you to send my resume to your client. You should be able to do the work to figure out if I am the right person to talk to.

On point #7, the email today had the following questions and answers, most of which can be determined by READING my resume.

1) Full Name:

2) Present location:

3) Contact Details:

4) INS Status:

5) Availability:

6) Total IT Experience:

7) Total US Experience:

8) Ready to Relocate (Yes / NO):

9) Expected Compensation:

10) Comfort levels (on a scale of 1[Least] to 10[High])

§ OO Design and Analysis

§ .Net

§ C#

§ SharePoint

§ Silverlight

§ Web Services

$ Messaging Framework

§ PL/SQL (Oracle)

§ UML

§ Design Patterns

11) Interview Preferred Timings :

12) Do you bear the needed years experienced

§ OO Design and Analysis 5

§ .Net (C#, Sharepopint) 3

§ Silverlight 1+

§ Web Services & Messaging Framework 2

§ PL/SQL (Oracle) 2

§ UML 2

§ XML 2

BTW, this is not the worst one I have seen. I had one that actually read like a job application (in bad english, of course) and would have me copy almost my entire resume into the email. Do I look desperate?

I was asked by a friend, who is a recruiter, why so many developers hate recruiters. I told him it was because recruiters were not earning their keep. This is not true of all of them, but there are some who are absolutely wasting my time, and the time of others, to try to make a quick buck. If you want to place me, and do not have a dream job, then you should at least take a few minutes to figure out if I am even qualified or would be remotely interested.

For the recruiter friends I have in the area (and some outside the area), I am not talking about you here. Yes, there are some developers that view all every recruiter as scum, but you know I am not one of them. I do have a problem, however, with recruiters that are nothing more than human search engines, as they take way too much of my money for no added value.

Follow Greg on Twitter or read his blog here.

BTW - Greg is a truly awesome guy and I consider myself lucky to have known him as long as I have. Right after he posted it - within 10 minutes - I called him to tell him that I loved it and asked his permission to post it via RecruitingBlogs.com and eventuallly The Anti Pimp. He said, "I thought you'd be one the first phone calls I got..."

He was right.

Tags: the anti pimp, third party thursday

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My co is avoiding costs right now. When the econ turns around and it is the applicant's market, businesses will pay a fee to find the right talent. While some recruiters are offering to cut the fee--it is still an expense we have a hard time justifying when we jsut let people go....similarly when co's cancel holiday parties/summer picnics--if they can afford that expense, why didn't they keep Sally/Bob working and not have the party?

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I have a good example of not reading my resume. A recruiter contacted me and bluntly asked how much "Goldmine" experience I had. Apparently Goldmine is a software application. I'm a college professor. I know almost nothing about software. I once published a review of a book that had the word "Goldmine" in the title, and the review is listed under Publications on my CV. Yeesh.

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This goes for corp recruiters as well and those jobs sites that you applied and only have email conversation for jobs YOU are NOT qualified for..

1. not getting back to you.
2.before I talk to you, you have to applied online to our job site.


Also, the think that bothered me is condemning people who do not speak English well. Or it is not their first language is a bit prejudiced.. I know you are angry foe this people wasting your time but think aliittle bit before you write.

Yes, I am a Corporate Recruiter an HR Generalist.

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Kim,

This wasn't written by me. The intro and outro was. That's the point.

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I actually agree completely w this post. As a technical recruiter, I actually hope that other recruiters keep using these tactics. I can't tell you how many candidates engage with me because I'm respectful of their time, send thank you notes to their families when I hire them and the job involves high travel, READ their resume before I pick up the phone. I've had one employer that asked me to send each candidate a screening form before they would speak to me and I refused. That's MY job, not the candidates. There are people who are just pimps out there, you know who you are. :)

Keep up the antics, folks. It makes good recruiters look that much better.

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Scott,

You made few very good points here about reading resume, your preferences and specially on point 7. A candidate is like a client which needs to be handled with utmost respect, focus and sincerity. I think this "Mr. Lazy" can not be called a "recruiter" but a mere "Emailer OR Caller".

However, I'm sorry to say that your viewpoint about countries where beating women is OK and rude statements are acceptable does not go well here. I think you could have avoided writing this for otherwise a good post. There are good and bad recruiters - that's it. It do not have to be given label as India / Pak etc... I hope you consider this.

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Sarang,

Please see my previous comments about the intro and outro.

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