I had to laugh today. Gary Franklin's post "It's All About me" Job search 2011 hit the blogs.
He has done a great job eliminating the use of agencies, which of course is what a lot of companies want their internal recruiters and HR people to do. So be it, a noble undertaking.
When i asked if he would use a thrid party agency to assist in his job search he indicated he would and asked if i had something to discuss with him.
Making what i thought was a somewhat funny, tongue in cheek response, i posted , "No i make it point not to represent candidates whose claim to fame is that they want to eliminate my industry." Followed by a smiley.
Now Gary didn't like that or Paul's comment saying, "Sandra, you kill me." (Paul gets a kick out of my sense of humor. ) So Gary took both comments down and now is screening comments, which is certainly his right to do. I just reponded with a post that may not make it through the screening process. "It looks like i have been elminated."
Which brings me to the subject of this post. Once upon a time an HR Director walked in my office sat down and said. " I hate recruiters but i need a job, what have you got?"
Never having been approached for help in exactly that fashion i thought about it a minute then said, "Well Jim, let's think about this a minute." I represent a lot of companies who do like recruiters, why would i want to send you to one of my clients when i know that you are going to go in and sell yourself as the guy who can eliminate my client's need for me?" "If they didn't want to use a recruiter I wouldn't have a listing for an HR Director would I?" "But here's what i don't understand." "If you hate recruiters and your goal in life is to eliminate the use of recruiters why are you in my office wanting my help to find a job?"
His response: "Well i know you guys have contacts that i might not have."
Me: "That's true, What if i called you and told you that i didn't like HR Directors but i wanted to do business with your company, what would you tell me?"
His response: "I would tell you that i don't work with recruiters who don't like HR."
Me: "That's what i would expect you to say so i think we are in agreement here." "If i come up with any clients who want me to eliminate myself i will give you a call, thanks for stopping by."
I guess the headline, "It's All About Me" pretty well says it all.
I truly wish Gary the best in his search for a new position just as i did last year but still have to smile at an internal recruiter who puts it to a bunch of recruiters that he has eliminated 80% of agencies and is shooting for elimination of 90% before he looks for a new position.
I stand eliminated. Networking is a great way to find a new position.
I for one love your humor, Ms. Sandra. :) I had to go back and read the original post... and you know, the thing about contract recruiting - if you're THAT good, and the company still needs to recruit, they'll keep you. Oh believe me, they'll find a way.
Perhaps the contract is coming to an end because it's more cost effective to use a 3rd party recruiter...
I love this post. How true! Your humor is great.
If the original question is still on the table, that is, "Would I place an HR Director that does not want to use recruiters?" my answer would be OF COURSE! A fee is a fee is a fee.
However, my client is the firm hiring him/her not the HR Director. Hence, I would have to negotiate with my client one of two things, either an agreement that I would continue to receive work from the firm OR a recognition that my usual 'No Raid' clause does not apply. If I have had several successful placements with the firm prior to this assignment, this may give them pause, but if not, so be it.
In my world, there are clients and target organizations.
Point well taken Tom, and certainly with the caveat that "if you cut my throat, i'll cut you three feet lower and you'll sound like a candidate for the Vatican Choir." I like it.
I had an HR Guy (that i had done business with) tell me that if i placed him it didn't mean he would list positions with me. All i could think of to say was. "Why in the world would i think that if i helped you find a great job you would do business with me?" He smiled and nodded like i had just agreed with him.
The last i heard he was somewhere in some dinky HR job in someplace called Fish Hook, Texas ..really the end of the line. I guess all the other recruiters he spoke with agreed with him too. He calls now and again asking if i have anything for him. I just smile and nod.