Comment by Barbara Goldman on June 21, 2012 at 3:14pm

Dyll, I feel great :).   David, I guess faxing these two blogs to the VP might not be a good idea? Now I'll tell you the best part. This is a very big company, and we have two candidates interviewing for a different division. We are working with the hiring authority on both. LOL. I'm not concerned at all. AND, we have several different contracts with the company, one hand doesn't know what the other is doing. I love this client. HRH is dangerous to this publically traded company. We won't work with her again.

Comment by Sandra McCartt on June 21, 2012 at 3:39pm

LOL, David, trust me when i tell you that when one of us old gals burns off a hate letter we know what we are doing.  We do it with malice and aforethought.  Either we know it is not going to hurt us or we don't give a roaring rats rear.  When we have deep roots a storm doesn't wash the tree away.  I can also tell you that the VP is a lot more concerned about all this surfacing someplace than Barb is, VP is out on the limb and thinks she may be hearing the sound of a saw no matter how PC her response sounds. 

I think the candidate should drop a nice note to the hiring manager thanking him for his vote of confidence and saying that he regrets there seems to have been a miscommunication that caused a loss for both of them.  These things happen but the candidate wanted the HM to know that he was not playing games with them and did understand and was happy with the amount of the offer.  He simply wanted to give his spouse the courtesy of discussing their final decision and had planned to accept that next morning but was not given that opportunity.  Perhaps the candidate should have reached out directly to the hiring manager after the strange tone of the offer from HRH but was made to feel that was not appropriate.  But thanks again for the vote of confidence by offering a position.

the VP has misled the HM by the manner in which she followed up with the HM.  He needs to know it.

 

Comment by Melissa Kollasch on June 22, 2012 at 10:37am

I love Sandra's Idea about the candidate sending a letter to the hiring manager.  

Comment by Barbara Goldman on June 22, 2012 at 11:29am

LOL  Sandra,I agree with you, when old broad drop bombs they are carefully aimed. Thanks for all your input, you have the experience and wit required to handle this craziness :)

Comment by Sandra McCartt on June 24, 2012 at 11:41am

Lol, barb, if we can't laugh about some of this craziness we would be in the corner drooling in our oatmeal. I was waiting for the punch line on this one and laughed out loud when I read it.

Comment by Bill Schultz on June 24, 2012 at 12:37pm

Have to agree with David, mostly. ( Except I won't tell you what you must do)

NIt sure what purpose it serves to blow up the bridge and all roads leading to it.  I see a great deal of ego in that email.  Something that we should rarely get in the way of a deal.  

Also, you kind of give the VP and her underling out.  By firing off that salvo, they can point to you as the unprofessional one and therefore the one who blew up the deal.  You may say you don't care about that client but people change roles and you never know where it leads.  

Comment by Barbara Goldman on June 25, 2012 at 10:02am

EGO. I guess I have a big one. Helps me close deals, and work with sharks. I didn't kill the deal, Human Resource Horror did. She did it because she could. I didn't get in the way of the hire, HRH did. I didn't throw offers at them, HRH did. HRH doesn't know who I know in the company, she assumed that I'm not connected. Her behavior has been horrid. I know one thing that will happen because of this:  VP will start monitoring her prodigy. VP did tell me that even though she was in charge of recruiting, she let HRH handle it. My guess is that the next time a little white lie escapes from HRHs mouth, it will be noticed.

This isn't a rant because we lost two hires, it happens all the time. I don't make a habit of sending hate mail. This woman needs to be stopped. She makes all HR people look bad. And, the candidates were all insulted. If anyone in the company would have just called EXEC3 and asked, "Did you get an offer on Monday?", he would tell them the truth. 

All EXEC3 knows is that he has never been given an offer on the phone, and not given a day to think about it. It's weird. That's all he knows. He doesn't know any of this, (the Monday non offer, etc).

Comment by Sandra McCartt on June 25, 2012 at 10:15am

I agree Barb, I think the reason we run into this so often is that recruiters are afraid to take issue with lies and incompetent treating of candidates by inexperienced little power mongers. I am all for "professional" behavior but it has to be a two street. There are too many great internals and good HR people to let liars get away with this stuff. Mistakes happen on both sides. When mistakes are covered by lies it sparks outrage.

Comment by Aurelio Sisto on June 25, 2012 at 2:38pm

Send a copy to the CEO, and cc' the VP of HR. Considering that client is gone, you have nothing to lose. And who knows, maybe they will clean up their act and you could work with them again? 

Comment by Bill Schultz on June 25, 2012 at 5:32pm

Ego..to close deals... interesting.  

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