HR on the Warpath. Not pretty, and potentially dangerous. Like an elephant gone mad with no concern for damage inflicted on others or himself, this person is bent on destruction.
Short Back story.
Our client needed to hire someone who could be the director over several facilities. The position is new. We recruited several candidates. The candidate that they were interested in was currently making 125,000. 125,000 was the most this client wanted to pay. The candidate is expecting a promotion and raise in January, which would bring him to around 135. We approached the candidate about taking a lateral. The candidate refused to interview for the position.
The client wanted the candidate anyway. The VP of Everything was going to change the job, make it bigger, better, and worth more. Yes, it was agreed that they would pay the 135,000 that our candidate required.
Our candidate was delighted to take two days off from work to interview. After the individual interviews, panel interviews, wining and dining, he couldn't wait to take the job.
The Offer
Salary: 125,000.00
Yep, the amount the candidate turned down before starting the interview process. The amount that was turned down before the flights, hotels, time off, etc.
Knock, knock? is anyone home?
After explaining to HR why the offer might be considered an insult, HR responded by sending us a Salary.com comparison. Of course, Salary.com is a wonderful tool but flawed. Not all titles are equal in all companies. And, this on line estimate was for one location, not 5. And, our candidate is a PhD. Etc. etc.
Definitely apples and oranges.
I hate to split hairs, but the candidate clearly declined to interview if the offer was going to be one dime under 135.
HR responded with: "I'm insulted. It's a good offer, and he should take it. I am insulted that your candidate is just fishing for more money." HR was insulted? Can anyone spell cognitive dissonance?
Bring in the Offer Team
Internally, we have a team of experienced recruiters who readdress offers that have been, or are likely to be, turned down. The team met, and agreed to an offer plan. The offer plan allows us to present the offer in a way that will be less disappointing, and the opportunity better understood. The team assists the recruiter in presenting the offer.
1. Our first step:
Establish that the offer is dead. No getting hopes up, or emotionally involved. Our candidate turned down the offer. It's done.
2. Start over:
A member of the offer team would step in for our original recruiter, and start from scratch. Every step of our discovery process is performed again, with a different set of ears.
4. Present all economic data, location information again to the candidate
5. Conference call with the candidate and spouse to confirm commitment, and discuss possible issues.
6. Mend the damage done. Reaffirm the candidates positive feelings for the company. Soothe anger, and negativity. Don't let the candidate blame the company for a dismal offer.
7. Prepare the candidate and spouse for less than expected. Everyone involved needs to be realistic; candidate and employer.
8. Take a hard look at the possibility of a lateral offer. Test the offer.
Wait a day. Take a deep breath.
Presenting the Offer
The candidate was furious. And, insulted. He called the offer disingenuous, and blamed our client for putting him through the charade. He did agree that he wanted the job, but what happened to the companies' commitment to him? "Why the low offer? Did the VP know about this? She couldn't know about this, he insisted."
Under normal circumstances, my job is to make sure that client and candidate present themselves in the brightest possible light. Everyone makes mistakes, we are flawed beings. Changing jobs is an emotional time.
My motto is:
When anyone misses the mark, I'll take the blame.
I couldn't take the blame on this one. This was not the time to blow smoke and tap dance.
The candidate was furious with what was supposed to be his new employer. If this was the way things were going during the offer process, what will happen when he takes over the job? Will it always be like this?
Pawn Stars
Suddenly, inspiration.
"Pawn stars." I said, HR must watch Pawn Stars."
"Perhaps this is her low-ball offer. Maybe she didn't believe you, or me about your salary needs. She probably thought you were stretching the truth about the promotion and raise you are expecting in Jan. She might think we 'high-balled' her. (I'm not sure of the terminology, sounds like a drink my grandparents enjoyed) She's not insulting you, she is trying to make the best deal for her company, and has learned negotiation by watching Pawn Stars. Or Million Dollar Listing. Absurd negotiation is in vogue right now."
The silence was deafening. Perhaps this was not the best argument. Creative, but not the best.
The candidate, who by the way has a PhD, finally spoke. He had had enough.
"I refuse to talk about this!" The candidate raised his voice.
What's your bottom line?, I asked.
"Do you understand that I have a job? A good job. I have neglected my job, sacrificed my vacation days that I could have spent with my family, and I haven't hung the Christmas lights yet? My wife is demanding that I attend every pageant, parade or song fest for my three kids. I'm done. I refuse to talk one more minute about the offer that I am not going to accept."
"Before this, I would have taken a less than 135, he continued. I wanted the job. Now, I won't take one penny less. I've been lied to and strung along. I still can't believe that the VP, who I will report to, knows about this."
Just to make sure where we stood:
"Not to push the subject, but if I can get 135, will you start in January?
"YES", click.
Time to Stroke the Elephant
HR is, again, insulted about the rejection. Super insulted. We pushed for the 135, is there any way?
I'll take this to the VP of everything, and I'm sure she won't approve it, he'll never get 135. If anything, I won't pay more than 130.
"It's not going to happen," she flatly said. "But I'll tell the VP"
Down Comes the First Foot
The Email:
On Friday, at 4:30, HR writes a short e-mail saying 135 is fine. But, she needed an answer before end of business today, or the offer would be pulled. She gave us 30 minutes.
The candidate accepted Saturday morning, when we reached him.
Everyone should be happy, right?
Everyone but Ms. Insulted. She is now on the war path.
Second swing with her trunk
Insulted contacted the candidate immediately and told him not to talk to his Bio Brain recruiter. Insulted insisted that they should work together from now on. The candidate, who doesn't have a good taste in his mouth about Insulted, informed her that he liked his BBR, and would like to be able to work through her.
CRUNCH Head bunt with a double foot stomp
Insulted sent the new written offer to be signed. The offer specifically states that this is the final offer, and all points from the previous offer are null and void.
Insulted omitted relocation expenses from the 'final offer'. Now we have the second offer of 135, but the moving expenses are not paid.
Insulted is trying to kill this placement.
We'll get this done, I have no doubt about that. If you plan to negotiate like a Pawn Star, you better know what the item is worth. If you plan is just to offer nothing for everything, you end up with a lot of junk. Craftier negotiators will scoop you every time.
Our candidate is in demand, and can have another offer within a month.
Battle Scars
If Insulted wins this battle, and destroys the placement, the recruiters don't lose. We move on. The candidate is the prize, and we know that. We know the value of the candidate. We already have another place for him.
If Insulted wins her battle, her employer loses. The loss is enormous to her employer. But Insulted doesn't care. Insulted has been scorned by Bio-Brain. Our candidate rejected her offer. In her mind, we won. Insulted is incensed. And, you, her employer, will never know this happened.
When Insulted went on the rampage, she felt no pain. She protects herself by not allowing hiring managers to talk to the recruiting firm. She is in the middle, and slaps down anyone who tries to 'go around' her.
Insulted is clearly trying to destroy this placement.
And, you let her get away with it.
The Answer
Someone needs to retrain Insulted. Who is monitoring this person? Does anyone know her metrics? How many offers have been turned down? Why? When an offer is rejected, do you have a process in place that enables you to pinpoint the problem and fix it? Or, is she always in charge, like in this situation?
I'm embarrassed for you. You should know this is happening at your company. We won't call to tell you, nobody cares to be the messenger.
If you insist, I'll send you the paper trail.
Absurd is not in vogue "now". It has been in vogue for the two decades I've been recruiting candidates anytime an uninformed person gets too close to the process. Sometimes, as in this sad tale, its HR. And, based on my experience, it can often be the hiring manager.
Yes, I want you to spend your company's money wisely, but I do want you to spend it Homer. You want talent? Pay for it. And for God's sake, don't "play" around the edges like taking away relo, reducing time off, etc., or any other 'personal' thing that is going to make my candidate think twice.
I am trying to place the person, not fool them.
Absurd indeed...
Comment by Valentino Martinez on December 19, 2012 at 1:27pm Really dislike it when this happens -- when simple recruiting logic is thrown out the window in favor "policy, ego...protecting turf ...and fear of asking for an exception".
I detect "Evil HR Syndrome" (EHRS) and "No Guts Management" these are the root cause for what can even piss off the Pope, much less a recruiter trying to do their job.
While praying to St Jude, the Patron Saind for Lost Causes, is an option -- a better one maybe to moonwalk away.
Comment by Kelly Blokdijk on December 19, 2012 at 6:09pm Became completely furious by the second paragraph... then the reference to a flimsy $ website as a resource made my eyes pop out of my head. Complete ignorance and incompetence on the part of this "insulted" character. Examples like this only serve to reinforce the reputation the entire HR profession can't seem to shake - that of being useless, clueless barriers to getting business done.
Comment by Barbara Goldman on December 19, 2012 at 6:26pm Kelly, I agree. It seems as if we either work with an HR professional who is really outstanding, and understands the nuances, or we work with characters such as these, which make all of us look bad. I look as bad or worse than anyone in this, without knowing the story.
Comment by Barbara Goldman on December 19, 2012 at 6:27pm Christopher, I feel your pain. I'm sick of the dishonesty. I want to be honest, and work from that basis. When the internal person and the third party person are playing games, nothing gets done. It is absurd.
Comment by Barbara Goldman on December 19, 2012 at 6:28pm I do love St. Jude, Valentino, :) and, he's always been too busy with more deserving folk, you are right, I walk.
Comment by Martin Ellis on December 19, 2012 at 6:41pm Sad to say, it's happened to me. Why do HR do this stuff? As a result I now insist on direct contact with the line manager and will walk away otherwise. Overall, I think I'm ahead as a result, but what a waste of so many peoples time.
Comment by Amy Ala on December 19, 2012 at 7:02pm Shame on the VP of Everything for letting this happen. Seriously - from the first paragraph it sounds like reasonable exceptions were being made and VP of E agreed to certain changes (job function, compensation) to make it happen for this candidate.
Why DOES HR do this stuff?? Insulted HR sounsd like a real piece of work, that's for sure. But how did he/she get this way? Because VP of E lets him/her? Because no one in the organization who is actually affected by this puts a stop to it? The problem seems to me to be much bigger than one wayward HR person. It would be very interesting to be a fly on the wall... I can't believe for a second that VP of E doesn't have enough authority to put a stop to this immediately - and if VP of E doesn't... well... that's a whole separate issue.
Please understand I'm not saying this to defend HR in any way - this behavior is ridiculous and as an internal recruiter I'm embarrassed - but someone authorized 135 up front... what's the problem? Did that person not have the authority they claimed? Something to think about.
This is a case of the HR bitch thinking that she would get a pat on the head for bringing in a 135K candidate for 125K. I am so fed up with HR right now that i could write a book. I think they have all gone crazy trying to be all that and a bag of corn fritters. I have handled so many bad terminations on trumped up crap this month and resignations due to incompetant, picky ass, ridiculous HR wombats that i could gleefully string them up by their front appendages and let the crows pick out their eyes. The bright spot in my life right now is watching an entire sales team go after one of these snotty little hides. I wish i had, had something to do with it but they revolted. The top two sales reps resigned today with a letter that said they were not going to work for an organization that had an obsessive compulsive micro managing bitch from HR running or trying to run a sales team.
The idea that anyone would be so dumb as to use Salary.com to prove up anything is laughable. Then they add insult to injury by taking out the relo when they raise the money. I would tell my candidate that i think he is correct the VP of E is surely not aware of the machinations of her royal shrewdness in HR so maybe he should pick up the phone and call her or shoot her an email since she seemed to be someone he would enjoy working with in the future. Sometimes when the candidate drops one in the churn it sours the milk quicker than when i do it.
Comment by Gordon Alderson on December 20, 2012 at 8:36am It pays everyone - clients, candidates and recruiters (of all types) - to use a documented system that insists on involving the Hiring Manager, the Final Decision Maker and the Recruiter from the outset as to the entire recruiting and hiring process. When that is in place these problems either do not arise or those who react against the documented system can be called to account.
In Barbara's case the HR person would have been called out of line had this agreement been in place from the outset.
That would have given Barbara the authority along with the responsibility to go above the HR person’s without recrimination.
By the way, for external recruiters, if such an agreed system is not in place from the outset, we place our candidates elsewhere. This delivers no pain and a fee.
Every now and then us external recruiters need to fire even our biggest clients when they want to play dirty pool.
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